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In Canada on August 16, 2010 at 18:56

Popcorn Panel: Scott Pilgrim vs. The World

National Post’s Alison Broverman and Steve Murray are joined by Peter Birkemoe of Toronto comic shop The Beguiling to discuss graphic novel turned big screen film, Scott Pilgrim Vs The World

  • It definitely made me want to hang out there, that’s for sure. Definitely a place I wouldn’t mind visiting.
    by Laughingdog at 8/16/2010 5:26:27 PM1:26 PM
    • @smurray I’ve generally seen a fair draw from gamers I know with fairly strong old school (NES era specifically) sensibilities.
      by darthmiho at 8/16/2010 5:26:37 PM1:26 PM
      • I disagree with Alison. The videogame aspects are absolutely essential to Scott Piglrim and the visual language it was written in.
        by James Fraser at 8/16/2010 5:26:39 PM1:26 PM
        • I understand why a lot of things had to be changed, plot-wise, to make more filmic sense, but I could have used at least ONE of the great scenes from Sneaky Dee’s.
          by Alison Broverman at 8/16/2010 5:26:45 PM1:26 PM
          • Well, the book gives you a lot more breathing space by virtue of being, what 1000 pages long? The movie is a different beast. If the video game stuff just popped up every 20 minutes it would have just been jarring. Having it throughout made it a consistent world.
            by Mr. Steve Murray at 8/16/2010 5:27:20 PM1:27 PM
            • @Alison B. @smurray for me, the video game tribute part of the books was what I was most looking forward to seeing in the movie. I thought they nailed it.
              by LeeCherolis at 8/16/2010 5:27:44 PM1:27 PM
              • A lot of the fights just went on too long. I thought the first half hour of the movie was absolutely perfect, but then things started wearing on me.
                by Alison Broverman at 8/16/2010 5:27:52 PM1:27 PM
                • Like any adaptation, people will focus on what was missing, but, really, the got a hell of a lot in there, without it getting messy or confusing. A testament to Wright & crew.
                  by Mr. Steve Murray at 8/16/2010 5:28:21 PM1:28 PM
                  • Actually, I can pinpoint the moment where I stopped loving the film and went down to just liking it ok: WHAT THE HELL WAS WITH THE SEINFELD SCENE?
                    by Alison Broverman at 8/16/2010 5:28:39 PM1:28 PM
                    • Oops, I mean heck. Sorry, Ron.
                      by Alison Broverman at 8/16/2010 5:28:49 PM1:28 PM
                      • That was amazing!
                        by Mr. Steve Murray at 8/16/2010 5:28:55 PM1:28 PM
                        • You know, the scene where Scott comes home and there is, for no apparent reason, the Seinfeld theme song and laugh track for five minutes.
                          by Alison Broverman at 8/16/2010 5:29:38 PM1:29 PM
                          • I laughed so hard. It’s perfect, Alison. It just went to reinforce how the entire story was from Scott’s fantasy perspective, living a sitcom life with an actual audience in his head.
                            by Mr. Steve Murray at 8/16/2010 5:29:47 PM1:29 PM
                            • That did not fit with the rest of the film at all, and I didn’t find it a particularly funny or well-used gag.
                              by Alison Broverman at 8/16/2010 5:30:01 PM1:30 PM
                              • Also, it’s like, two minutes, Alison. COME ON!
                                by Mr. Steve Murray at 8/16/2010 5:30:11 PM1:30 PM
                                • The fact that they were capable of cramming so much into such a short runtime was definitely impressive, and a testament to Wright’s skill; but that sort of begs the question, why the short runtime in the first place? This movie could’ve easily been an extra half hour longer, to better space out the fights and add more core scenes.
                                  by kuraiou at 8/16/2010 5:30:20 PM1:30 PM
                                  • Up until the “twins” the movie was alright. Then it went down hill from there. Its not as good as everyone on my twitter is saying. Fanboys just need to calm down.
                                    by kevin at 8/16/2010 5:30:22 PM1:30 PM
                                    • Did the audience laugh? The crowd I saw it with laughed oh so heartily.
                                      by Mr. Steve Murray at 8/16/2010 5:30:32 PM1:30 PM
                                      • @smurray It’s no less jarring than postponing knives vs
                                        Ramona till the middle of the Gideon fight.
                                        by darthmiho at 8/16/2010 5:31:03 PM1:31 PM
                                        • The Seinfeld scene was a little out of place, but it reinforced how Scott was feeling at the time: full of win and wit like the funny people on TV. I’d like to hear why Edgar Wright put it in, but it didn’t bother me much.
                                          by James Fraser at 8/16/2010 5:31:07 PM1:31 PM
                                          • And, in a sense, it came from the books. I’m pretty sure there’s a scene that refers to offscreen studio audience cheers.
                                            by Mr. Steve Murray at 8/16/2010 5:31:12 PM1:31 PM
                                            • Oh, I almost forgot. I hate the word “fanboys” almost as much as “hipster.” BOOO!
                                              by Mr. Steve Murray at 8/16/2010 5:31:57 PM1:31 PM
                                              • So many of the game effects, graphics and labels are things that one might have pointed to as examples of things that I would point to of things that can work well in a comic, but wouldn’t work in film. Surprisingly, they ended up working in the film.
                                                by Peter Birkemoe at 8/16/2010 5:32:59 PM1:32 PM
                                                • My favourite bit after the twins fight was Scott coming back to life and breezing past the previous bits, as you would in a video game. Plus, who didn’t love Nega Scott and his conclusion?
                                                  by Mr. Steve Murray at 8/16/2010 5:33:14 PM1:33 PM
                                                  • @smurray seriously “fanboys” implies that girls can’t geek out as hard, & we do!
                                                    by TdotComics at 8/16/2010 5:33:24 PM1:33 PM
                                                    • I also didn’t like how Knives’ and Ramona’s fight was postponed until the end, especially since it meant no fight scene in Metro Ref, which is the other thing I was most hoping for!
                                                      by Alison Broverman at 8/16/2010 5:33:35 PM1:33 PM
                                                      • direct quote from Edgar Wright, source

                                                        “It snowballed out of one little bit in volume one. There’s a scene where they kiss at the end of volume one, and Bryan had drawn an arrow and written “Studio Audience,” and the studio audience was going “Aww,” and I thought that was great. I thought, “That’s exactly how he sees it.” Again in terms of him being the hero of his own movie, he has his own laugh track in his head. He hears what he thinks people would be thinking. That happens at the end of that scene, and I thought that because he’s going back to Wallace to brag about making out with Ramona the night before, he bursts into the house like Kramer or Fonzi, complete with his own rapturous applause. So again, I think it works as a funny joke because Michael Cera is in super-goofy post-makeout mode, but it’s really the idea of Scott Pilgrim having his own studio audience in his head.”

                                                        by kuraiou at 8/16/2010 5:33:55 PM1:33 PM
                                                        • Listen Steve, sometimes it is my job to be a hater. There isn’t very much to hate in this movie, so I have to zero in on what I can, ok?
                                                          by Alison Broverman at 8/16/2010 5:34:29 PM1:34 PM
                                                          • It just labels people who happen to enjoy something, as if they’re in a blinders-on fever. That’s only the case with very few fans.
                                                            by Mr. Steve Murray at 8/16/2010 5:34:34 PM1:34 PM
                                                            • Just want to say thanks for all the great comments and questions readers! I’ll try to get as many of them in.
                                                              by Ron Nurwisah, National Post at 8/16/2010 5:34:55 PM1:34 PM
                                                              • I agree with Peter, the movie had one of the closest approximations to the look and feel of comics that I’ve seen (sorry A History of Violence).
                                                                by David H at 8/16/2010 5:35:31 PM1:35 PM
                                                                • Peter, I agree – a lot of the video game elements worked really well. The “Scott vs. evil ex” graphics before each fight were fun, the coin explosions were great, and the little pop-up words and graphics were cool too.
                                                                  by Alison Broverman at 8/16/2010 5:36:18 PM1:36 PM
                                                                  • I know time was a factor, and there are six books and only one movie, but I really missed Envy’s backstory.
                                                                    by Alison Broverman at 8/16/2010 5:37:22 PM1:37 PM
                                                                    • The one thing that could have been a bit better was the actual relationship between Scott and Ramona, which is hard to do amongst all the fighting. The courtship is too quick for such intensity. Plus, we’ve all seen movie where the ladies are out of the guys’ leagues, but she is so very much out of Scott’s league.
                                                                      by Mr. Steve Murray at 8/16/2010 5:37:40 PM1:37 PM
                                                                      • To be fair, Steve, it’s unclear why Ramona agrees to go out with Scott in the books too.
                                                                        by Alison Broverman at 8/16/2010 5:38:20 PM1:38 PM
                                                                        • It’s a repeat-viewing movie, for sure. I think, hopefully this means a better box office in the coming weeks and long, long life in rep cinemas and on dvd.
                                                                          by Mr. Steve Murray at 8/16/2010 5:38:39 PM1:38 PM
                                                                          • @Alison B. seconded. Getting to see her backstory and have some of those important conversations with Scott allowed her to be more than a bitch and more of a real human being like the rest of the cast.
                                                                            by darthmiho at 8/16/2010 5:38:41 PM1:38 PM
                                                                            • Oh, one detail I appreciated was Scott’s terrible self-cut hair.
                                                                              by Alison Broverman at 8/16/2010 5:39:04 PM1:39 PM
                                                                              • Oh, yeah, definitely. But an ill-advised hookup when you’re rebounding from an ex is consistent with real life, and the book lets it play out a lot more over the six volumes.
                                                                                by Mr. Steve Murray at 8/16/2010 5:39:23 PM1:39 PM
                                                                                • @smurray I’m fine with Ramona being out of Scott’s league (works with the fantasy element) but I agree on the relationship building. The movie seems to exist in 4 weeks time as well, and it’s just hard to buy into the intensity of their relationship.
                                                                                  by David H at 8/16/2010 5:39:51 PM1:39 PM
                                                                                  • Most movies that try to be like comics, try to be like shitty comics. Hence even if they pull it off, it can’t make for good cinema. History of violence manage to squeeze some decent cinema out of a terrible comic, probably by virtue of Cronenburg not knowing he was adapting a comic.
                                                                                    by Peter Birkemoe at 8/16/2010 5:40:30 PM1:40 PM
                                                                                    • That’s what I mean from the movie suffering from less character development in general – the relationships between all the characters are so much stronger in the book, and I think the movie could have done more to that end.
                                                                                      by Alison Broverman at 8/16/2010 5:40:46 PM1:40 PM
                                                                                      • Clearly it ends up being more about Scott growing up, which is fine. The Ramona love feels secondary by the closing scenes.
                                                                                        by Mr. Steve Murray at 8/16/2010 5:41:21 PM1:41 PM
                                                                                        • And poor Kim barely had anything to do! And Alison Pill is so great. I really loved Mark Webber as Stephen Stills. Maybe my favourite character in the movie.
                                                                                          by Alison Broverman at 8/16/2010 5:41:40 PM1:41 PM
                                                                                          • Any other questions our readers would like us to address?
                                                                                            by Alison Broverman at 8/16/2010 5:42:11 PM1:42 PM


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